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The purpose of this page to to hold "research" regarding Juan de Cuevas to Thelma Dale Christopherson generation.
It is the process of Roy doing a genealogy search trying to go beyond current family members.
It gets boring so feel free to pass onto more exotic finds within
Roy has not yet triple verified the following. It is just research and checking for matching info like Birth dates.

Here is possibly an unpublished photo of Thelma Dale and possibly her family. Will confirm with her husband, Hank.

Thelma Dale Christopherson
Mystery Solved! This event was the baptism of Roy's brother, Ron, probably in Daly City or S.F., Calif..
Woman in the back row is Roy's aunt, Thelma DALE Christopherson, wife of Henry Christopherson, Courtesy of the Ted & Pauline Christopherson Collection.
IMG_SCAN_0551a shows the table and foreground. Hank confirmed people in a photo of Thelma as Minister Thorlakson (Icelandic) and his daughter sitting in front of him. To be precise, Rev.S.OctaviousThorlakson, confirmed from source image from Logberg.
Unsure of the women, Hank did think the couple to the right sitting were Icelanders, possibly Dr. Eymondsson (standing 2nd from Right) and Rev. Thorlaksson's wife (front right). The large fellow in the back IS NOT Willy Dale SR.! Circa and location unknown. Will check with Hank. Hank did not know who the others were. Correction: Vern confirmed the fellow with glasses (back right) is Andres Oddstad, not to be confused with Andy Oddstad..

NEW: This certainly seems to match Rev. Thorlaksson above. Vern Austman and Roy are researching the connection that he might have been Ingjborg Stoneson's 1/2 cousin.

Steingrimur Octavius Thorlaksson (1890-1977) was born in Mineota, MN, May 26, 1890, his father the first immigrant pastor of an Icelandic Lutheran congregation. He graduated from Gustavus Adolphus College, 1913; Chicago Lutheran Seminary, 1916. That same year he married Caroline Kristin Thomas of Winnipeg, Manitoba (4 children: Margrethe, Octavius, Erik, Esther). They were commissioned missionaries to Japan --by the Icelandic Synod of America on behalf of the old General Council of the Lutheran Church --arriving there in the fall 1916. Thorlaksson served various pastorates, including Kobe, and as the Treasurer for the American Lutheran Mission in Japan until his evacuation at the outbreak of WWII. Before evacuation, he transferred all mission properties to the independent Japanese Lutheran Church which prevented confiscation by the military during the war. The Thorlakssons moved to the San Francisco area which became their permanent home. Caroline died in 1956 --Thorlaksson remarried in 1959, Liv Cecilie Oddson. He worked as a Field Missionary for the Board of American Missions of the United Lutheran Church in America serving congregations on the West Coast maintaining a continued interest in Japanese and Scandinavian churches. In San Francisco, 1944, he entered diplomatic service on behalf of Iceland as Honorary Consul General. He was given the title "Member Emeritus of the San Francisco Consular Corps" by that body on February 17, 1971. (See Biographical Sketch of Thorlaksson, Box 4 ff 9) From 1967, he lived and served as resident chaplain of the Martin Luther Tower, a retirement home in San Francisco. He died in Webster Grove, MI on July 10, 1977; and was buried from St. Mark's, San Francisco. Scope and Content This collection was processed in two separate sections. The first section had been partially processed and cataloged by library staff. The second section processed two years later when four boxes of unprocessed material were discovered after a shelf move. The two sections of material have been incorporated into one collection. The arrangement here is the archivist's construction, there having been no inherent arrangement. Most of the collection has to do with the business or financial aspect of mission work (bills, statements, correspondence, etc.). There is very little personal material. Some of the collection is in Japanese, some in Icelandic. Major portions of the collection concern the Japan Lutheran Mission, and the Lake Nojiri Summer Resort where Thorlaksson had a summer home.
Amidst his personal effects at Berkley are
... Folder ff 6 Individuals, small groups, unidentified, n.d.
Folder ff 7 Groups, Meetings, unidentified, n.d.
Folder ff 8 Places, Churches, unidentified, n.d.
Folder ff 9 Rural and farm scenes, unidentified, n.d. ...
...Folder ff 9 Single cards: Chicago, Vancouver B.C., Iceland (?)
Here they mention

Think I have enough to semi-confirm a connection to the father.

 Minnesota, Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980
Name:     Anne Margrethe Thorlaksson
Father:     Niels Steingrimur Thorlaksson
Birth:     date - location
California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Anne Margrethe Bahnsen [Anne Margrethe Thorlaksson] Father: Thorlaksson
Birth: date - location Death: dd mm 1996 - San Francisco

...four years old he traveled all the way to Norway with his parents and younger sister, Anne Margrethe,,,
...his daughter and son-in-law Margaret and Robert Bahnsen of San Francisco...His OBIT

Article where he was Honored

Willy Dale
Willy Dale
Father of Thelma Dale

Courtesy of the Hank
Christopherson Collection
Willy Dale
Willy Dale Jr.

Courtesy of the Hank
Christopherson Collection
Willy dale
Willy Dale Jr.

Courtesy of the Hank
Christopherson Collection
Thelma Dale
Thelma nee Dale Christopherson

Courtesy of the Hank
Christopherson Collection
Additional photos available to the family: IMG_SCAN_6081_Hank.ThelmasWedding,
IMG_SCAN_6092_dale (Thelma as a baby)

Thelma Dale married Henry Christopherson
Juan Jose de Cuevas
Born 16 Mar 1762 at Algamite, Seville District, Andalusia, Spain
Died: 24 Sep 1849 in Cat Island, Mississippi, United States
Married: Marie Helene Ladner (connection to Ladner Family)
Juan and Marie's Gravesite

Here is the branch
Thelma Dale Bradford Christopherson > William F. 'Willy' Dale > Hattie Rose Seymour Dale > Caroline Virginia Krohn > Marie Solitelle Cuevas > Marie Helene Ladner (Husband: Juan de Cuevas) > Marie Magdelaine Paquet (Husband: Nicholas Ladner) > Magdeleine Dit Baudreau > Jean Baptiste Baudreau

Marie Tree
Family Tree from Marie back (in development)

Marie Soletelle Cuevas Krohn of Thelma Dale's side. This is same photo as in the Tree above.

Starting research WED July 27th, 2011

Start research of all 6 pages of links at Google keywords are "“The Ladner Odyssey” by Nap Cassibry"
Posted from website:
[Roy checked this link on APR 2012 and it was gone.]
"From Juan to now... a history of our family.

Jason So this is what we know so far, which is actually quite a bit compared to what most Americans are able to find out about their ancestors these days.
When I was in college (Mississippi State ’99), my dad and I began some in depth research into “the family”. I will make several posts of what I know, though much of this is from memory, and if anyone else is interested we can discuss and maybe fill in some of the gaps. Also, maybe I can help some of you find out more about your particular line. There are two things to consider initially. First, the spelling conventions of our name. Keep in mind that the Gulf Coast area has flown under many flags with many languages, so there was not a “standard” spelling of our name until mid-1800s when our region became a part of the United States. Up until that time, name spellings were at the discretion of whoever was taking the census and subject to their interpretation.

So, our name initially began as Cuevas then it was Anglicized to be Quave and there are still other variations like Couevas, Cuebas, etc. It seems that the Quaves are the ones that moved more to the east side of the Mississippi Gulf Coast and the Cuevases are the ones that remained in the Biloxi area and west, with a portion of Quaves in Louisiana. Secondly, do not be alarmed that our family tree does not have as many branches as would make us comfortable. You will see that many times cousins married cousins. Understand that as the Gulf Coast was settled, there were only a handful of families here so, many times relatives were married. More than likely, if you are from one of the original families of the MS Gulf Coast and you marry another native, you probably have some common ancestors. So, rather than a sprawling live oak, our family tree is probably more like a Christmas tree… kind of narrower at the top ;)

So, let us begin. Juan de Cuevas is where we derive our surname of Quave. I do not have a solid date for his birth, but I would imagine it to be in the middle 1700s, probably 1770s, around the birth of our nation. His parents were Pedro de Cuevas and Ysabel Batista of Algamitas, Sevilla, Andalucia province, Spain. From what I have been able to gather, Juan was part of the Spanish garrison/settlement at Pensacola, Florida. I am not sure as to how he came to be on the Mississippi Gulf Coast, but he married Marie Helene Ladner in 1794. Marie Helene is the daughter of Nicholas Ladner and Marie Pacquet, the granddaughter of Jean Baptiste Baudreau dit Graveline (I will write another story about this side of the family). Nicholas Ladner was the son of Christian Ladner of Switzerland (from what I have been able find out). Christian Ladner was a prominent figure along the Gulf Coast and kept the lighthouse on Cat Island. The waterway pass between Cat Island and the mainland, through the Mississippi Sound was known as “Christian’s Pass”, or more appropriately, Pass Christian. Juan and Marie Helene tended the Cat Island lighthouse as well and lived and raised a family on the island. In fact, the Spanish government gave the land to their family, if I recall correctly. There is a legend that during the War of 1812, the British captured Juan and were trying to force him to show them the way to New Orleans. Juan escaped, receiving a gunshot wound in the process, and rowed to New Orleans to warn Andrew Jackson of the British plans. I have not been able to determine the veracity of this story, but it is on one of those green historical marker signs on highway 90 by the Old Biloxi Cemetery where Juan is buried, or at least it was there before Katrina.

Juan and Marie Helen’s children are as follows, with their married names if known: Juan Cuevas Jr. Bridget Cuevas – Ladner Euphemie Cuevas – Guardia Francois Cuevas Helene Cuevas – Ladner Celestine Cuevas – Garcia Pauline Cuevas – Basquez (Bass) Marie Solitelle Cuevas – Krohn Pierre Cuevas Charles Ferdinand Cuevas Raymond Cuevas My particular line comes from Juan’s son Pierre. Pierre moved to the east a bit from Biloxi and settled in the Back Bay/St. Martin/Ft. Bayou area, at least that is where his children stayed, though he moved around a bit. It seems like the spelling of the name changed from Cuevas to Quave around this time and with the moving of the family to Jackson County, Mississippi. Pierre was an interesting person. He married Marie Louise Ladner (hmm… where have seen that surname before). However, while he had children with Marie Louise, he was also fathering children with a relative or hers that lived near them. When the community found out about his shenanigans, he moved away with his illegitimate children to St. Tammany parish in Louisiana. I believe that he is buried somewhere in Covington, Louisiana. This is what I have been able to piece together, as it seems that there were two different families that Pierre had. As far as his descendents in Louisiana, I have not been able to acquire much information so if anyone can help with that, it would be appreciated. Here are the children of Pierre Cuevas and Marie Louise Ladner: Pierre Simon Quave m. Anna Mallett Christopher Quave m. Elizabeth Mallett then Delphine Morin Marie (Mary) Quave m. John Mallett Ursin (Usant Laz) m. Mamie Sarah Davis Louise Quave m. Vincent Peter Mallette then Maximillian Gollott (Garlotte/Grelot) Zoe Quave m. Julius (Jules) Gollott Francoise Quave m. Yvon Garec Caroline Louise Quave m. Sherrod Seymour Juan (John Warne) Quave m. Victoria Gollot then Lorena Lavinghouse Clementine Quave m. John Noble Isabella Quave m. Napoleon Davis then Thomas Gollott

You can see here that basically there are only three families here that are marrying each other. Now, continuing on with my line, it runs through Ursin sometimes known as Usant and Mamie Sarah Davis. Ursin and his family lived in the Fort Bayou area of Jackson County, Mississippi. He ceded some of his land for Antioch Baptist Church, off of Old Fort Bayou Road. Most of the rest of this line of the family is buried in this cemetery. Ursin seemed to be successful as he and his family owned slaves at this time, I think there were 9, so not a large plantation by any means but a significant farm. Ursin and his brother Pierre Simon served with the Live Oak Rifles out of Ocean Springs, MS in the War Between the States. Ursin and Mamie’s children are as follows: Mary Quave m. Morgan Smith Christopher Quave m. Martha Overstreet Joseph Quave m. Nancy Entrekin then Della Hardy Rosetti Caroline Quave m. John Griffin Webb Martin Quave m. Parthena Phelps Emily Quave m. Franklin Smith Elizabeth Quave m. ? Overstreet Lazarus Quave – no info Josephine Quave m. Frank Byrd Ferdinand Quave – no info Martha Quave – no info Andrew Quave m. Corine Goodier Now, thankfully, we see the family tree starting to branch out a little bit more. From this family, by great-great grandfather was Joseph Quave, of which I actually have some pictures. And so my line continues with James David Quave son of Joseph Quave and Nancy Entrekin. We have a picture of David’s house that my wife posted a few months ago before we had to tear it down. David married Laura Garlotte and they had a son named Frank who is my grandfather. Frank married Bertha Irene Cooley of Birmingham, Alabama and they had my father Richard. So, this is a brief history of this particular line of the family. I will make another post concerning Jean Baptiste Baudreau dit Graveline. I suppose that genetically, our makeup is essentially French, even though our surname is an Anglicized version of a Spanish name. Let me know if you have any questions, as we have much more information and I can help you find your particular line if you want to know. Most of our information comes from a really great book called “The Ladner Odyssey” by Nap Cassibry, that traces most all of the native families of the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Be proud of our family, we helped build this area."


Re: Elijah Ladner
Posted by: Don Ladner Date: July 29, 2001 at 08:04:50
In Reply to: Elijah Ladner by Patricia Ladner McDougald of 437

I do not have computer files on the LADNER family that I can share with you, but I would highly recommend that you try to get your hands on two LADNER family published books: (1) The Ladner Odyssey, by Nap Cassibry, II. It is a 941 page documented book beginning with Christian Ladner who came to the Gulf Coast in 1719 from Switzerland and covers the next five generations. The Missippi Coast Historical & Genealogical Society, P.O. Box 513, Biloxi, MS 39533 sells the book.(2) The Ladner and ladnier Chronicles by Leonard L. Slade, Sr. Contact Mr. Slade at: Leonard Slade, Clear Branch, Rt. 2 Box 323, Purvis, MS tel: (601) 794-2254. This book has a photo of Elijah LADNER and his home near Oak Grave, MS.
Don Ladner


The Cassibry Collection -- Nap L. Cassibry has donated his books and manuscript of the Ladner Odyssey, a chronicle of the Ladner and associated families of the Gulf Coast.

Published 1998
The Ladner Odyssey by Nap L. Cassibry, II
is a 931 page definitive work of the first five generations of the decendants of "the" Christian Ladner who came to America from Switzerland in 1719.

The book can be ordered from:
Mississippi Coast Historical Genealogical Society, P. O. Box 513, Biloxi, MS 39533. The last known price of this book was about $55.00. I consider it the "Bible" on us Ladners/Ladniers.
Posting from 11 years ago (2000)

The Ladner odyssey
written and compiled by Nap L. Cassibry, II.

Published 1987 by Mississippi Coast Historical & Genealogical Society in Biloxi, Miss. (P.O. Box 513, Biloxi 39533). Written in English.

End 6 pages of links at Google

Now, let's do a little research on Marie Helene Ladner, wife of Juan Jose de Cuevas.

Magdeleine Dit Baudreau father was Jean Baptiste Baudreau
Marie Magdelaine Paquet mother was Magdeleine Dit Baudreau
Marie Helene Ladner > Marie Magdelaine Paquet

Marie Helene Ladner > Marie Magdelaine Paquet > Magdeleine Dit Baudreau > Jean Baptiste Baudreau

Gen 1. Sieur Jean Baptiste Baudreau Dit Graveline seems an interesting fellow (Wiki), the captain of the Pascagoula militia (and the first settler of Pascagoula, Mississippi, and one of the original settlers of the old Mobile), and an Indian woman named Suzanne. Having originally been born as an illegitimate child, his father married the Indian woman in 1727 in an attempt to legitimize him. In 1734,
Gen. 2 Jean Baptiste Baudreau Dit Graveline II born in the 1710s (presumably 1715 d. abt. 1757) (Wiki) was a colonist in French Louisiana, and is one of the few persons to ever be executed in the Americas by the breaking wheel. Graveline Bay, which borders southern Mississippi and southern Alabama, is named for his father.
Sieur Jean was the first settler of Pascagoula, Mississippi, and an original settlers of the old Mobile).
Baudreau married Marie Catherine Viconneau, with whom he would have all of his legitimate children. Illegitimate Children
In the 1740s, he began having an affair with a girl named Marie Henriette Huet, whose family owned a plantation in the area around modern day Portersville Bay. He had several illegitimate children with her, the majority of whom would use the surname of Baptiste
Family 1 (Source)
Marie Henriette HUET
2. Pierre BAPTISTE, b. Abt 1745, Mobile County, Alabama

Family 2
Marie Catherine VINCONNAU, b. 11 Sep 1715, Notre Dame, La Rochelle, France , d. 1778, Pascagoula, Jackson County, Mississippi
1. Marie Catherine BAUDREAU
2. Catherine Louise BAUDREAU, dit Graveline, b. 13 Jan 1741, Pascagoula, Mississippi , d. Abt 1806, Bayou la Batre, Alabama

Jean married an Indian woman named Suzanne. Having originally been born
Jean was born an illegitimate child.
Sieur Jean married the Indian woman in 1727 in an attempt to legitimize him.
Jean In 1734 married Marie Catherine Viconneau, with whom he would have all of his legitimate children. [Roy believes this is incorrect. She was married same day; 1 March 1734 as Jean and Suzanne Source PDF ]

According to Wikipedia, Baudreau (Jean Baptiste Baudreau Dit Graveline II ) was the 6th great-grandfather of singer/songwriter Jimmy Buffett.
The 6th great-grandfather of actress Diane Ladd, the 7th great-grandfather of actress Laura Dern, although there is no prrof found of this.

Laura Dern

Laura Dern was born on February 10, 1967 into a moviemaking family - her father is Bruce Dern and her mother is Diane Ladd. Dern was exposed to movie sets and the movie industry from infancy...Source

In the 1740s, Jean began having an affair with a girl named Marie Henriette Huet, whose family owned a plantation in the area around modern day Portersville Bay. He had two illegitimate children with her, the majority of whom would use the surname of Baptiste (in modern day Mobile, this has evolved into Battiste).

Married the Indian woman Susanne in 1727 in an attempt to legitimize their son, Jean Baptiste II, born around 1715. In his will, he disowned Jean Baptiste II


How Pass Christian, MS got its name
1745 , Cat Island, MS

Christian and Cuevas at Cat Island

Christian de L'Adnier arrived on the Coast at Mobile in 1719 aboard the Ship "Le Marie" from Lucerne, France. He married Marie Brunel and produced three sons. One was Nicholas Christian Ladner, the youngest son, who in 1745, moved to Cat Island where he had been bringing cattle for several years. During one of his visits to New Orleans, in 1758 he chose as his bride, Marianne Paquet. This loving couple produced eleven children and it was from this union that the two channels in the Mississippi Sound, Pass Christian and Pass Marianne, are credited for their naming.
Prior to these names, old French maps called the area Passe aux Huîtres for the prolification of oyster reefs and battures.
Later, under Spanish rule, Juan Cuevas was sent to the New World. Following his arrival at Pensacola, he explored the regions of the mainland and the barrier islands. Upon landing at Cat Island, he was introduced to one of the daughters of Christian and Marianne. Juan married her and was invited to remain at the island even after Christian's other sons and daughters departed for the mainland or to New Orleans.
In 1831, just a few months before the building of the Pass Christian Lighthouse, an almost identical light was constructed on the west end of Cat Island.
In 1831, the lighthouse on Cat Island, south of Pass Christian, was built and designed by contractor Winslow Lewis as an identical replica to the Pass Christian Lighthouse. George Riolly of Pass Christian oversaw the construction and served as its first Light Keeper from June 10, 1831. Ramon Cuevas served as Light keeper from 1834 to 1861.
The significance of the Cat Island lighthouse was that it marked the approach to New Orleans which during the 1700s through mid-1800s was reached via the Rigolets to Lake Pontchartrain and on to Port St. John, then the northern entryway to New Orleans. Not having been built on sound foundation, the light tower suffered through many storms including perils during the Civil War. In 1871, the brick from the old lighthouse was removed and replaced by a screwpile tower. The new one was discontinued on September 22, 1937.

stolleeeadded this on 9 Apr 2011 marcie0312originally submitted this to Cuevas Family Tree on 4 Nov 2010Nicholas Christian Ladner - keeper of the Cat Island Lighthouse.

160. Luis Christian Ladner & 161. Marie Barbe Bounal [SWI, MS]

4/21/1698 Luis born in Pisterene , Lucerne Canton, Switzerland; s/o 320. Christian Ladner & 321. Magdalena ?. (S) Family notes.
Marie (Bounal or Burnet) born in Europe. (S) Family notes.
5/27/1719, Luis, age 20, departed from La Rochelle, France for LA on the ship La Marie, commanded by J. Japye, after being exiled, “sent by order of the King”. A young man, with black hair, blue eyes, standing 5 feet 4 inches tall. (S) “LA Colonials, Soldiers and Vagabonds”, by DeVille, P15. (S) 1st Families of LA, V1.
Luis went to New Orleans.
Luis went to work on the Chaumont Plantation, on the Pascagoula River, south of the old Biloxi Indian village.
Bef. 1723 Luis married Marie.
1723, a hurricane destroyed Chaumont plantation. Luis left the Plantation where he had worked and moved his wife and 2 sons to Cat Island.
9/12/1724, “In the year 1724 on the 12th of September, I baptized Jean Baptiste, the son of Christian Letdener, native of Canton of Grissons and of Marie Barbe Bouval, a European. The Godfather being Jean Baptiste the natural son and his sister as his godmother.” (S) Mobile, AL, CIC, BB1, P51.
3/1725, M Gorty Census, habitants Pascagoula, Christian, wife, 2 children [Jean & Mathurin]. (S) Census Tables 1699–1732.
3/1/1734, Christian witnessed the wedding of Jean Baudrau178 in Pascagoula. (S) No. 178 Family notes.
1745, Christian was the godfather to Christian Saucier. (S) SLC Archives, BBII, P40.
10/24/1750, Louis the godfather to his granddaughter Marie Louise, d/o son Jean. (S) SLC, BB2, P199a3.
10/2/1764, Louis Christian took the Oaths of Allegiance and Fidelity to His Brittanick Majesty King George. (S) 1764 British Census of Mobile, West Florida.,
3/14/1780 Galvez captured Mobile.
4/21/1798, Luis christening on Deer Island, LA. (S) Family notes.
By 1799 Luis died on Deer Island, HarrCo., MS. Buried in Pascagoula, MS. (S) No. 40 Family notes – marriage dispensation of Dominique.
Bef. 1805, Marie died.
(S) 1699-1732 LA Census Tables.

Family notes:
• 4/21/1798, Confirmed at Deer Island, Province of LA: Luis Christian Ladner, 100 years old, son of Christian Ladner and of Magdalena Ladner, Sponsor being Juan Cuevas was Confirmed by His Excellency Most Reverend Don Luis y Cardenas. (S) St. Louis Catholic Parish of New Orleans, LA; Confirmation Bk. 1789-1841, P73.
• Luis’ son, Christian, settled what is now Pass Christian in the latter part of the 18th century, and another son, Nicholas, located at what is now Long Beach.

Children of Luis and Marie:

i. Jean Baptiste Christian Ladner, baptized 9/12/1724 in Pascagoula, MS.
{#1. L.O., P15}
3/1725, M Gorty Census, habitants Pascagoula, Christian, wife, 2 children [Jean & Mathurin]. (S) Census Tables 1699–1732.
1750 in the SLC, he married Marie Louise Fisseau Dit Delorme986i.
5/12/1763, Marie the godmother to Michel Ladner, s/o Nicholas86.
10/2/1764, Jean took the Oaths of Allegiance and Fidelity to His Brittanick Majesty King George. (S) 1764 British Census of Mobile, West Florida.
Bef. 12/22/1781 Jean died in HancCo., MS.
12/22/1781 Widow Baptiste Christian, residing in Biloxi since her birth, granted 84 arpents of land. (S) Mobile Land Grants, 1710-1795, P7.
10/7/1784, “Widow Baptiste Ladenairre and Angelica” sold 3 arpents of land. (S) L.O., P13.
By 1801 Marie Louise died. (S) Wedding of daughter Louise Baptiste.
Marie Louise Christian Ladner I, born 9/13/1750 in Bay St. Louis, MS.
(S) SLC, BB2, P199a3.
She married Pierre Fayard492iii.
Louise Baptiste Christian Ladner, born ~1751.
12/9/1801, she married Jean Baptiste Martial Nicaise194iv. (S) SLC, MB2, P92.
Constance Ladner, born 1752 in Bay St. Louis, MS. (S) SLC, BB2 1753–1759, P88.
2/20/1778 she married Valentin Frederic LaFontaine. (S) SLC, MB1, P21a45.
Marie Anne Christian Ladner, baptized 11/14/1753. (S) SLC, BB3, P14a133.
5/4/1771 she was the godmother to her little sister Marie Louise.
Angelique Ladner, born 12/22/1754 in Bay St. Louis, MS. (S) SLC, BB3, P42a440.
She married 1st Charlot Favre. He died bef. 1784. (S) L.O., P13.
4/4/1799 in New Orleans she married 2nd Jean Baptiste Lardasse of Mobile. (S) SLC, MB2, P122.
Marie Louise Christian Ladner II, born 1/10/1765 in Pascagoula, MS. (S) SLC, BB5, P86, A4.
She married her 1st cousin Francis Nicholas Ladner, s/o Fancois86v.
Jean Baptiste Ladner Jr, born 4/16/1767 in Bay St. Louis MS. (S) CIC Mobile, BB1, P231.
5/2/1801, he married his 1st cousin once removed, Francoise Carco, d/o Marie Louise Fayard492iii. Jean’s mother was Francoise’s great aunt. (S) SLC, MB2, P136, A54.
(S) 1840 Census, MS, HancCo., age 80–90. By the process of elimination, he appears to be the only “John B Ladnier” this could be.
(S) 1841 MS Census, HancCo.
Gilbert Ladner. He married Louise Morin42viii.
Basile Ladner. He married Helene Morin42ix.
Marie Louise Christian Ladner III, born 6/18/1770 in Pascagoula, MS. (S) SLC, BB4, P108bA4.
She married Francois “Valentin” Bourgeous. (S) SLC, MB2, P154, A640.
1/7/1807 Marie witnessed the wedding of her nephew Gilbert, s/o her brother Jean.

ii. Maturin Ladner dit Christian ( 80), born 1/1725 in Pascagoula, MS.

iii. Nicholas Ladner dit Christian ( 86), born 1727 in Pascagoula, MS.
Posted by Bond0007 at 6:44 PM


Coat of Arms (Roy always believes theses are bogus, many times just a company trying to make money)

Lineage ends with
Luis Christian Ladner
Birth abt 1675 in Sewis, Graubuenden, Switzerland
Death abt 1737 in Sewis, Graubuenden, Switzerland

On 7/27/2011 12:09 AM, Roy Christopherson wrote:
> Hi,
> Somehow I got back on to the Dale family. As you know, I found an entire
> web page with extensive detailed info and sent to Gary already *[his mother; Thelma].
> Went back along a wife's lineage and leads back to Spain. If interested,
> you could check back at the News page for any info like a web page
> outlining lineages.
> Gary, meet your 4th Great Grandmother, Marie Helene Ladner, 11 Nov 1767
> at Cat Island, Harrison, Mississippi, USA. Died 10 Oct 1853. Found
> tombstone.
> Please keep in mind that I have NOT VERIFIED any of this data.
> Gary, met your 4th GGF, Juan Jose de Cuevas, born 16 Mar 1762 in
> Algamite, Seville District, Andalusia, Spain. Died 24 Sep 1849 in Cat
> Island, Mississippi, United States

* Added text

Juan de Cuevas Grave


Fact or Fiction
First settler of Pascagoula, Mississippi, and one of the original settlers of old Mobile.

Married the Indian woman Susanne in 1727 in an attempt to legitimize their son, Jean Baptiste II, born around 1715. In his will, he disowned Jean Baptiste II, stating that he had only married his mother to legitimize him, and then proceeded to list a number of reasons justifying the disinheritance.

Graveline Bay, which borders south Mississippi and south Alabama, is named for him.
Jean Baptiste Baudreau dit Graveline was born in 1671 in Montreal, the second son of Urbaine Baudreau dit Graveline and Mathurine-Marquerite Juillet. He served with Pierre Le Moyne Sieur D’Iberville in the Battle of the Hudson Bay against the British, and then accompanied D’Iberville on the expedition to the Gulf Coast. He arrived at Fort Maurepas in Biloxi on January 8, 1700 with d’iberville onboard La Renommee. In 1702 Graveline was at Ft. Saint Louis in Old Mobile, north of where the present city is. He became one of the wealthiest men in the colony by trading in furs, ships, and later cattle and agricultural goods. A couple of times he would buy a ship and load it down with goods and send it to Vera Cruz, the West Indies, or even to France for trading.

Graveline also traded frequently with the American Indian tribes in the area. In fact, he only had two documented children, both of which were half Indian. His first child was his daughter Magdeliene. She was never baptized in the church so there is no birth record, she is just recorded as “Magdeliene dit Pany Baudreau the natural child of Graveline and an Indian woman”, on her marriage certificate to Pierre Paquet II on 26 August 1726. Though there is no specific documentation it has been noted the mother of Magdeliene was an Indian woman that Graveline had been living with named Emashapa Panyouasas of the Choctaw nation. Her parents were Opehaw and Alpaha Panyouasas. Again, there is no actual documentation of this as far as I know. Apparently, on one of his trips to France, Graveline married a French woman, which may have been a Martha LaVergne, whom he married in 1710, however, she died in 1713 on Massacre Island, now known as Dauphin Island, Alabama. Then Louisiana governor Cadillac even mentions the death of “the wife of Graveline” in some of his official correspondences. Most researchers seem to think that an unwed Indian woman would not be mentioned in this manner so the deduction is that this wife was a French woman. The only true marriage record for Graveline is one dated 3 July 1727, wherein he married an Indian woman named “Susanne”, who was the mother of his son, notorious by many accounts, Jean Baptist Baudreau dit Graveline II (JB2). His son was ten years old at the time of this marriage and Graveline admits to only marrying Susanne in order to legitimize his son in the church. Iin summation, Graveline had three “wives”, the first Indian woman, Emshapa, the French woman who died, and then lastly Susanne. For the purposes of our discussion of the Quave family, we are most concerned with Graveline’s daughter, though there are many Quaves, including myself, who also are descended from Graveline’s son as well, all of the Quaves are at least descended from Graveline’s daughter Magdaliene.

After the death of Pierre Paquet II, Magdeleine Baudreau Paquet married Francois Alexandre Chenet dit St. Martin (1715-1789) in 1740. They had a daughter named Marianne who was born in 1742. Due to the nature of her mother being a widow, sometimes you may see Marianne listed as a Paquet or as a St. Martin. Regardless of whom her father was, she married Nicholas Ladner dit Christian, the third son of Christian Ladner and Marie Barbe Brunel, around 1758. Nicholas and Marianne lived on Cat Island, MS along with the rest of the Ladner family. Pass Christian and Pass Marianne in the Mississippi Sound are named after Nicholas and Marianne. Nicholas and Marianne had at least 11 children, one of the latter ones being Marie Helene who married a Spanish military man named Juan de las Cuevas, who met the Ladner family after having been sent to Cat Island as part of a reconnaissance group of soldiers.
◦Jean-Baptiste Baudrau-First permanent settler in western Jackson County

Jean-Baptiste Baudrau (1671- ca 1762), dit Graveline, was born at Montreal in New France (Canada). In 1700, he landed with Pierre Le Moyne, d’Iberville (1761-1706) at Fort Maurepas in present day Ocean Springs. Iberville was a military commander sent by King Louis XIV (1638-1715) of France to establish and protect “La Louisiane”, the 1682 French claim of Rene Robert Cavalier de La Salle (1643-1687). French Louisiana was defined by La Salle as the watershed of the Mississippi River and its tributaries.

In 1702, Jean-Baptiste Baudreau abandoned Biloxy, the region around Fort Maurepas. With his French cohorts, led by Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne, de Bienville (1684-1778), Baudrau relocated to Old Mobile. Circa 1718, Baudreau left Dauphin Island to return permanently to what is now Jackson County, Mississippi. He and his family resided on the west side of the Pascagoula River. (Adkinson, et al, 1991, pp. 95-98)

Initially Graveline managed a farm in the present day Martin’s Bluff section. He raised livestock, primarily horned cattle. Graveline utilized Negro and Indian slave labor to work the plantation and tend livestock. (Conrad, 1970, p. 2 and p. 50)

Baudrau descendants

The descendant of Jean-Baptise Baudrau are numbered in the tens of thousands. From this French Canadian adventurer, some of the first families of the Mississippi Coast, which still exist today, Ladner, Bosarge, Fayard, Moran, Grelot (Gollott), Fournier, Ryan, Bang, and Seymour, can trace some of their lineage.

Jean Baptiste Baudrau dit Graveline
had married an Indian woman who brought forth two children, Magdeleine Baudrau and Jean-Baptiste Baudrau II (d. 1757). Magdelaine married Pierre Paquet Jr. Circa 1758, their daughter, Marie Anne Pacquet (b. 1742) wedded Nicholas Ladner (b. ca 1736-1799) dit Christian. Of further interest in this line, Marie Angelique Baudreau (1776-1853), the daughter of Jean-Batiste Baudrau III (b. ca 1735) and Marie Louise Fayard (b. 1746), married Nicholas Ladner II (1759-ca 1793), son of Nicholas Ladner dit Christian and Marie Anne Pacquet. She married Jacob Bingle (Bang) after the demise of Nicholas Ladner II. (Cassibry II, 1988, pp. 700-704). [Believe Cassibry revises some of this in later edition. Need to verify, esp. re mother of Magdeleine.]

The brother of Nicholas Ladner II, Pierre Ladner (1764-1809+), settled on the Pascagoula River in 1809, on Claim No. 133, which was one of actual settlers who had no claim from either the French, British, or Spanish Governments. Pierre Ladner’s homestead was in Section 39, T6S-R6W about 1.5 miles east of the Evergreen community.(The American State Papers, 1994, p. 38)

Jean-Baptise Baudreau II (d. 1757) married Marie Catherine Vinconnau. Their daughter Catherine Louise Baudreau (1742-1806) married Joseph Bosarge (1733-1794) of Poitiers, France in June 1762. They are the progenitors of the large Bosarge family of coastal Alabama and Mississippi. (Atkinson, 1991, p. 23)

Another daughter of Baudrau II, Genevieve Baudrau, married Charles Leblanc in 1783. Their son, Joseph, born in 1788, became known as St. Cyr Seymour (1788-1845). His issue with Marie-Joseph Ryan (1786-1876) commenced the large Seymour family of our region. (Lepre, 1995 , pp. 54-61 )

The Seymour family has its roots on the north shore of Graveline Lake in Section 5, T8S-R7W. Here the children of St. Cyr and Marie-Joseph made their livelihoods as subsistence farmers and stockmen in the same manner as their great great grandfather, Jean-Baptiste Baudrau dit Graveline. They left their family homestead to settle at Biloxi Latimer, Fort Bayou, Ocean Springs, and North Biloxi. (The Ocean Springs Record, January 15, 1998)

Moving further back to Urbaine Baudreau dit Graveline
The family name is Baudreau, the “dit Graveline” was a geographical “nickname” that the French would often use. Full Background.
Urbaine's father was Jean BAUDREAU, dit Graveline, b. 25 Jun 1581, Gravelines, Flanders
His mother was Marie CHAUVEAU, b. Abt 1600, France. Linages ends. Source
This site leads to
Are you a Baudreau, Beaudreault, Boudreau(lt) or a Graveline, Gravlin or some spelling close? If so it is highly likely that a lot of your family history can be found right here. Details on Jean BAUDREAU here.
No family interest so Roy has halted further research.

Research June 18, 2012
Will the Real Juan Jose de Cuevas Please Stand Up!
It seems some incorrect information is floating around and Paul has correct intel...
Re: Juan de Cuevas b 1762 Spain - Cat Isl MS by Paul E. Puebla, April 05, 2000
Reading from St Louis Marraige Book 5 (1830-1834)Act 440. "Raimond Cuevas, native of Cat Island, Mississippi, son of Juan Cuevas and Marie Ladner, Married April 4, 1834 Isabelle Penalvert, born at New Orleans, resident of Cat Island, daughter of Manuel Penalvert and Jeanne Botinet." There is an interesting story about your Great Great Grandfather James in the New Orleans Times Picayune of May 7, 1922. Some folk Lore replaces history but it is an interesting look at early Bay St Louis.He and his brothers Raymond and Charles served in the 3rd Mississippi Regiment Company F. Comany F was originally The Shieldsboro Rifles. James spent his last years at Beauvoir where he died. He is buried at Bay St Louis Their Father Ramon was Lighthouse Keeper on Cat Island and a story about his appears in June 4,1871 New Orleans Times.
sSource: [1]

"...HISTORY:   The Krohn Cemetery was commenced in March 1876, when Charles F. Krohn (1832-1876) was buried there.  Krohn was the son of German immigrant, John Henry Auguste Krohn (1802-1853), and Marie Solitelle Cuevas (1808-1861).  The Krohns lived in Biloxi and later moved on the Tchoutacabouffa River in the SW/4 of Section 12, T7S-R10W.  John Henry Krohn was the first Supervisor of District No. 1 Harrison County Board of Police.  He was elected President of that body in November 1841.       Charles F. Krohn married Sarah A. Cruthirds (1836-1918) on January 28, 1858.  She was the daughter of George Henry Cruthirds and Dorcas Scarborough.  George Henry Cruthirds had come to Mississippi from South Carolina. 

Although Charles F. Krohn owned 240 acres of land in Harrison County (all in Section 21, T6S-R9W as follows:  W/2 of SW/4, NE/4 of SW/4, W/2 of SE/4, and the SE/4 of SE/4) which he had purchased in a State Swampland Sale on May 29, 1858 for $.05 per acre, and an additional 40 acres purchased in January 1859, from Alexander Scarborough (NE/4 of NE/4 of Section 21, T6S-R9W, Harrison County Deed Book 8, p. 510), his homestead was probably northeast of these tracts in Jackson County.  Sarah Cruthirds Krohn had patented the SW/4 of the SW/4 of Section 15, T6S-R9W from the State of Mississippi in April 1867 (Tract Book).  She also received a land patent from the U.S. Government in February 1913, on the SE/4 of the SW/4 of Section 15, T6S-R9W, and the NE/4 and SW/4 of Section 22, T6S-R9W (Jackson County Deed Book 43, pp. 129-130). 
Here on a high ridge over fifty feet above sea level, in the SW/4 of Section 15, Charles F. Krohn homesteaded and made his livelihood as a logger.  He probably cut longleaf pine from his 280 acres in Harrison County which was transected by the Tchoutacabouffa River.  The logs were easily sent down river to the sawmills of the area. 
Charles F. Krohn and Sarah Cruthirds had seven children:  Frederick F. (1859-1919), Alethia A. Hosli (d. 1942), Isabel Krohn Sartwell (1866-1933), Mary McQueen (1868-1939), Charles (1869-1948), Katy (1871-1882), and Robert L. (1874-1905). 
During the Civil War, Krohn joined Company A (Live Oak Rifles) of the 3rd Mississippi Regiment in September 1861 at Ocean Springs.  He returned home probably in July 1863. ..." Source

That is odd, the above tree (image) is not listing any family above Willy Dale Sr. in Roy's database, nor is there a separate tree? Roy could re-enter these folks, yet no reply from the family. So only data from internet will be posted here.

Here again is the lineage
Here is the branch Thelma Dale Bradford Christopherson > William F. 'Willy' Dale > Hattie Rose Seymour Dale > Caroline Virginia Krohn > Marie Solitelle Cuevas > Marie Helene Ladner > Marie Magdelaine Paquet > Magdeleine Dit Baudreau > Jean Baptiste Baudreau

Marie Solitelle Cuevas (1808-1861) married John Henry Auguste Krohn (1802-1853)
Again researching on "Caroline Virginia Krohn", we get three hits on Google.
Ancestry shows Caroline as last child.

Juan De Cuevas
Marie Helene Ladner

Spouses & Children
Heinrich Auguste Krohn

John Henry Krohn
Louis Henry Krohn
Charles F Krohn
Mary Elizabeth Krohn
Louisa Amelia Krohn
Robert Vance Krohn
Harriet Krohn
Bridget Eleanor Krohn
Caroline Virginia Krohn

Caroline Virginia Krohn (1847 - 1895)
Found 10 Records , 6 Photos and 26,916 Family Trees
Born in Harrison, Mississippi, USA on 7 Jun 1847 to Heinrich Auguste Krohn and Marie Solitelle Cuevas. Caroline Virginia married Narcissi Nathan Seymour and had 12 children. She passed away on 1 Oct 1895 in Ocean Springs, Jackson, Mississippi, USA.

Family Members Parents Heinrich Auguste Krohn 1801-1860 Marie Solitelle Cuevas 1807-1853
Spouses & Children Narcissi Nathan Seymour 1848-1931 Mary Seymour Raymond Seymour Hugh Charles Seymour Hubert Seymour Rose Hendrica Seymour Hatty Seymour John Robert Seymour Alice Virginia Seymour Benjamin Seymour Joseph Francis Seymour Wilhelmine Seymour Leona Agnes Seymour

"Sometimes it is best to return to the closer relatives, and shore up more Citations and sources, to ensure correct lineages" Roy E. Christopherson

Seymour Family
French Canadian adventurer, Jean-Baptiste Baudrau (1671-1761), called Graveline, who came to Fort Maurepas, at present day Ocean Springs, of the Louisiana Colony with d'Iberville (1661-1706) in 1700, remained and settled permanently in what became in December 1812, Jackson County of the Mississippi Territory. Today, his descendants from daughter, Magdeline, and her spouse, Pierre Paquet, number in the thousands... source.

So we come back to Marie Helene Ladner, grand-daughter of Jean Baptiste Baudreau dit Graveline. See above "called Graveline".
Halfway down this Seymour Family Page we spot
The children of Narcisse and Caroline Krohn were: Raymond Seymour (b. 1874), Charles Hugh Seymour (1876-1913), Harriet S. Dale (1877-1956), John R. Seymour (1879-1938), Alice S. Bellman (1880-1957), Benjamin Seymour (1882-1904), J. Frank Seymour (1884-1933), Wilhemine
There is Caroline Krohn.
This then shows the following...
"...After the untimely death of his wife, Narcisse Seymour married in September 1873, Caroline V. Krohn (1847-1895), the daughter of Henry A. Krohn (1811-1850+) and Marie Solitelle Cuevas (Quave) (1807-1860+). His sister, Zeolide Seymour, had married her brother, John H. Krohn (1831-1912). ..."
Dates for Caroline match ones from Ancestry.

"...The children of Narcisse and Caroline Krohn were: Raymond Seymour (b. 1874), Charles Hugh Seymour (1876-1913), Harriet S. Dale (1877-1956), John R. Seymour (1879-1938), Alice S. Bellman (1880-1957), Benjamin Seymour (1882-1904), J. Frank Seymour (1884-1933), Wilhemine..."
Now does Harriet above match our Hattie at the start of this RnD?
Our initial reference to Hattie leads back to this same source.
Hattie Rose Seymour Dale (1876-1956) PHOTO
If the family wishes to research on a different branch, they could go to the above source under Seymour Family and go back through Narcisse Seymour.
To obtain more informtion on the Dale family, Thelma's parents and their parents, go to under Dale Family.

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