The purpose of this page to to hold "research" regarding the Leslie family.
It is the process of Roy doing a genealogy search trying to go beyond current family members. Others with same Surname might find this of interest, since data below is not a
confirmation of a relation, only a possible match due to variables such as year or location.
It gets boring so feel free to pass onto more exotic finds within christopherson.net. Previous research will not be posted.
KNOWN FACTS
We start with the daughter of the last known Leslie, Elizabeth Mehetabel Jones.
According to Mary, Richard Taylor married Eliza or Elizabeth whose father was Jones, and mother was a Leslie.
Elizabeth married Richard Taylor [View his individual page or RnD page]
NOTES FOR: Elizabeth;
This site
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=mconey&id=I1105
Listed Richard married to a Jane Jones which Roy believes is wrong. Michael Coney lists Jane Jones. Since there are no Janes above that of William Stuarts daughter (that is known),
possible Elizabeth's mother might have been Jane Jones. Unfortunately Roy has never heard from Michael, nor does he know what "Green Papers" he refers to in his citations.
Searches of Barbados with these names, especially with Elizabeth's middle name so very rare compared to some, above Eliza or Elizabeth is unknown.
We know according to Mary that William Stuart and John Taylor's sister, Jane passed down history to a Keith.
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THE LESLIE STORY
Bruce has helped shape many of the pages with great insight into the family.
First stop on the Magical Mystery Tour. The LESLIE STORY.
Let's back up to George Taylor´s progeny.
1. Caroline TAYLOR Christopherson
Attachment 1 (MWC 005) Which child is exactly who is still in debate. They are not all standing directly upright, so hard judging by age. We are probably correct as the back left looks more like the photo of Caroline at 16 becoming a teacher than the right one does. Here is Caroline, Sigurdur and 1st two born, William and John. Yup, I believe named after Caroline's father and foster father.
http://www.christopherson.net/genealogy/christopherson.taylor.caroline_003_11_03_1870.html
Photos and everything I know, or allowed to publish are here, or Ytranes Homestead page. http://www.christopherson.net/genealogy/map/ytranes_homestead.htm
2. William Stewart Taylor Next is her father William S.Taylor. http://www.christopherson.net/genealogy/familytree/Taylor/TaylorWilliam.html Attachment 2. (IMG_4825).
Original portrait probably with Keith. Sig placed a copy of this photo into a report in 1992 given to Carrie CHRISTOPHERSON Humber at Ytranes homestead. He and his brother John and siblings grew up on Barbados, a colony of England, just as Virginia was in the U.S.. The family home there; Enmore is long gone, except I believe the original watermill still stands on the very same spot, as when their father Richard Taylor and Elizabeth Mehetabel JONES used it for their opulent Coral stone house with marble floors.
I believe both the Taylors and the Jones were well off. I have enough family stories to make me know that Elizabeth's mother whose father was a Jones and mother was from the wealthy Leslie family which lived on the hill near the center of the island. Some have the wrong story that Williams mother fell in love with Richard. They have the wrong generation. I believe it was William's grandmother, Richard's wife Elizabeth's mother, possibly Jane LESLIE Jones that fell in love with a Mr. Jones in England.
Perhaps one day one of the children will write a great love novel of the oppressed couple exiled from the Howard Family, Duke of Arundel. I have done much research on the port of Bristol which I believe Williams fathers side came from. His father George Taylor drowned The family dispersed from Kingston, Ontario and why I believe little is known about the Taylors. They lived throughout California, British Columbia, all the way to Iceland.
It is said that one of Williams sisters destroyed their brother John's diary that he kept from the time of a young man. Many family possessions were lost arriving at New Iceland, now known as Gimli, Manitoba. Take heart, more old--old family photos and letters are out there. They hold the keys to unlocking...The Taylor Mysteries.
Taylors have been on the island of Barbados since England first colonized it, as proven by a map showing 'Three Taylors' living on the coast south of Bridgetown. Related...? That is unproven to date. No Taylor of ours is related to President Zachery Taylor either. Enjoy Image 5164, that is Caroline in 1875 (age 16 or 18),and Sigurdur in 1874 (age 31) that is the dates the cousins put with this photo are accurate.
As we continue or Magical Mystery Tour. You ask, what about the Leslies? All I saw was a Taylor here, Taylors everywhere!
Ah the fun is in the trip, just as in genealogy...finding that tidbit of information which leads to unlocking the past of our ancestors.
The photos you see are from the private collection of our 3 British Columbia 2nd cousins, and the Hearn Family, which shows Linda Street in the attached chart. We have a vast amount of relatives in Ontario, Canada, descended from Jane Taylor, sister of William and John. You will not find these photos on the Internet, as I promised they will remain private per there wishes. When Jane and Susan's mother died of Tuberculosis, they were small children. Their mother along with our Caroline's was Irish. Bruce said "that Caroline Taylor considered herself a Scotswoman". Half English from their father's Taylor Side, and Half Irish from their mother's Sleaman/Slimmons side, how could that be. The key will be shown to be the Leslie Story. Images 174 and 175 are among my favorite recent discoveries. I found Linda's father, then they sent me The Hearn Family Story book. Sadly he has passed on along with the author, his wife, Mary. Here we have photos of a very young Susie and Jane Taylor. They were but children in the last email. In 175 shows Jane and Susan who are near the age of them rowing a visiting Lord Dufferin across the lake, where he vows to send the 1st one to marry, an autographed photo and book. We now have proof in a letter and autographed photo with the Hearn family. http://www.northernlite.ca/19thcenturyiceland/travellers/dufferin.htm Image 168 shows the house they were raised in for a short period, for none of the family stayed put for long. Caroline's chance meeting changed all their lives. http://www.christopherson.net/genealogy/christopherson.taylor.caroline_003_11_03_1870.html#earlylife
/To be continued.../
We last left off with Caroline Taylor and her other sister, I believe Elizabeth, Lizzie. Susan and Jane went to stay with their uncle John Taylor, who basically raised them from age of 2 and 4, until they left to get married. Caroline and Elizabeth went back to William, yet married young.
Caroline gets uncle John to help the Icelanders There is a well known story of how Carrie spots a beautiful blonde woman at the pump [water?], while having breakfast at Kinmount while traveling to see Uncle John. The waitress points out that the Icelanders, as this Blonde woman was, will have a very harsh winter ahead. They became lifelong friends. Caroline then asks her uncle, who was a Baptist Minister for the Shanty Men's British Bible Society to step in and help the Icelanders. This one brief moment changes ALL their lives.
You see, they are all inter-twined and become dependent on each other. More importantly, they all help each other out, unlike now a days. Just now reading their 1880 letters, I am seeing some new perspectives here, which shape their history. This is the start of New Iceland. There is a lot of history regarding leaving Kinmount for Gimli, then the scouting party leaving for where Grund lies, which became the heart of the Argyle District.
Susie (Susanna) marrys Halldor Briem (Lord Dufferin) According to Ryan, John Taylor lived at Dysart Township, Haliburton County, Ontario. You could take a virtual drive down the main road there. I am in search of the small house there that was sent in earlie email. There is actually a lake to the left of the road viewing by Street Level. The SAT map is so blurry, does not even look like anybody lived there. Taylor
Postcard
Húsavík (House cove)[1]
BARBADOS
The Taylor family had a large plantation on Barbados. Richards father's friend took Richard in possibly at Bristol England, then took Richard to Barbados. Richard's last name is from his father George, not this friend, this confirms that our lineage continues in England with Taylors. From The Hearn Family Story "Richard TAYLOR [John and William S. Taylor, our Great Great Grandfather] was born in Bristol England in May 2,1786, the son of George Taylor. On May 21, 1807 he married Elizabeth Mehetabel JONES in Parish of St Michael, Barbados, West Indies. Elizabeth was born March 31, 1792, the daughter of a prominent family in the Barbados. Her mother's surname was LESLIE. Richard died May 1, 1859 in Kingston Ontario, and Elizabeth died March 3 1,1860 Emestown, near Kingston." |
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Bruce Costello wrote to Roy on 4/25/2010 11:03 PM:
When I [Bruce] was about 10 or 11 Grandma Rooney (Gudrun Christopherson, nee Stoneson) sat me down and told me that Grandpa K's grandfather
(was it John or William Taylor - I get confused sometimes) [Roy: It was Caroline Taylor's father, William Stuart Taylor, as the story goes] had been born in Arundel Castle,
that there was some sort of romance that his mom and dad had fled England to Barbados because Catholics and Protestants were then forbidden to marry.
They returned years later with our G-G Grandfather Taylor...
...She also said the mother was either a niece or daughter of the Duke of Norfolk and thus part of the Fitzalan-Howard family.
The Howards go back to the first Duke who fell at Bosworth Field alongside Richard III in 1485 and the story is recounted in
Shakespeare's play. The Fitzalan are also the Stuart monarchs of Scotland and later Scotland and England and Wales....
...I believe that first Uncle Lorne and later Uncle Sig researched these claims but were never able to solidly establish the link. Stefani disagrees with me and
said her dad did indeed establish the link and visited Arundel castle in WW-II, though was unable to meet our alleged 'kinsman' the Duke due to his being
busy in Churchills war cabinet....redacted...
...I would only add that my mother, eldest of the Christopherson 9, did actually know GG Carrie Christopherson and told me her grandmother considered herself a Scotswomen.
T'was from GG Carrie that my mother got inspiration for my name, Bruce, after the ancient Scottish King who watched spiders and was inspired.
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 10:36:14 -0800
From: Roy to Vern
Redacted
Think after a lot of research it was the 14th Duke that fit the timelines.
The Duke of Norfolk is a fascination of cousin Bruce and now mine
On 2/8/2011 6:57 PM, Bruce Costello wrote to Roy
Given that the gentleman who's painting I have appended served as 12th Duke from 1815 to 1842,
he is likely the one who was Eliz. M Jones cousin.
More here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Howard,_12th_Duke_of_Norfolk
Bernard Edward Howard, 12th Duke of Norfolk, KG Earl Marshal (21 November 1765 – 16 March 1842) was the son of Henry Howard (1713–1787, a descendant of Henry Frederick Howard, 22nd Earl of Arundel), and Juliana Molyneux (1749–1808).[1]
Bernard Edward Howard, "possibly" cousin of our Jane Jones
Here is a tree on Bernard, let's look at his sublings, as Jane Jones was suppose to be a 'cousin'.
Edward Charles Howard, brother
Lord Henry Thomas Molyneux-Howard, brother
Juliana Barbara Howard, sister
Mary Bridget Petre, sister
http://www.europeanheraldry.org/house_of_howard.html
The family surname was Fitzalan-Howard from 1842, when the 14th Duke and his brothers and sisters assumed the extra surname.
source
One source found online in Geni.com suggested that all early Leslies in Barbados originated from Rev. William Leslie. However, in the book Barbados and Scotland Links 1627-1877 by David Dobson,
there are several Leslies mentioned in the 1600s who do not appear to be related to Rev. Leslie:
Andrew Leslie, a militia officer
Alexander Leslie, a factor in Barbados and St. Kitts for Archibald Hay 1649.
Robert Leslie, a planter in St. Lucy Parish
Found Elizabeth JONES, ST. Johns, 8 Yrs old, Burial Date: Apr 15 1870
Which branch of the Boleyns are you descended from? Anne only had one child, Elizabeth, who died childless so her line ends there, Mary Boleyn had children though.
source
[So Sig's comment is incorrect]
Hand written notes in a Bio by a Hearn now at John's page had one notation by Sigurdur 'Sig' Christopherson mentioning:
"Bowman Leslie
[Henry
I really don't know
maybe they said Bolyne - which was cousin nom?
to the Howards"]
Hmm, let's try a search on Leslie Bolyne
First try this one "Elizabeth Mehetable Jones and Duke of Norfolk"
RESULT: Under Thomas HOWARD (4th D. Norfolk), 7th child was Jane Howard. Since it is said that our Jane or Elizabeth as Roy has seen variations, she is a "cousin", not a direct relation to Howards. Then this could not be her. Update: Actually a cousin is a relation.
Did get this hit
V Elizabeth, ?m. . . . Jones of Gloucester, [The only evidence for the marriage is a tradition in the Jones family which takes color from specifications that this Elizabeth Cary was mother to the Judith Jones of Gloucester who m. Wil-liam CaryS of Prince George (see post, p. 138), and that one of the children
of Frances (Jones) Anderson, a sister of Judith (Jones)
Cary, was named Thomas Cary. See statement of L. B. Anderson, 1872, in fF, M. Cary Notes,"]
source
Roy: Search on Leslie Bolyne or in Quotes goes nowhere. Past searches on the Howard Family Tree yielded nothing either.
RnD (Research and Developement) done on 4th of JULY 2011
New search "jane jones" and "Duke of norfolk"
Source
Oct 1, 2008 – become Lady Jane Jones (because she's a Lady by birth) or Lady ... her first name and surname: the eldest daughter of the Duke of Norfolk is ... 'source'
Roy: Hey maybe we have something here? Richard Taylor is said to have married Elizabeth Mehetabel Jones b. Abt. 1794 or Jane Jones [Update: for sure Richard married Elizabeth. Have since visited their graves.],
according to the Mormons. I have seen both and at one time Richards wife had about 23 children, most died as infants due to the Barbados environment.
Here is the full text on one of the postings and they were using names as example, not real people.
Re: Lady X Y marries Lord A B
On Sep 22, 3:15*pm, DBD <danbarnesdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was wondering whether, when Lady Jane Smith (daughter of a Duke/Marq/
> Earl) marries Lord John Jones (younger son of a Duke/Marq), does she
> become Lady Jane Jones (because she's a Lady by birth) or Lady John
> Jones (as wife of LJJ)?
> I can't find any clear-cut answer anywhere, so thought I'd pick some
> expert brains!
I have seen answers in books on such matters.
It depends on who has the higher rank. If the ranks are equal, the
man's form of address takes precedence. Remember (stating the matter
in brief) that the younger son of a peer ranks one below the daughter
of a peer of the same rank.
Thus, if the daughter of a duke marries the younger son of a duke
(surname Jones), she is Lady Jane Jones (and not Lady John Jones). The
"equal rank" case happens when the daughter of a marquess marries the
younger son of a duke.
Roy: Sorry, this is not our Jane Jones. Jane was suposedly "cousin" of then Duke of Norfolk.
Having not found any detailed family trees of the Howard family, hard to spot a Jones.
Okay, I've given in and dug out Debrett's Correct Form! No wonder there's
confusion over this. I'm quoting the whole paragraph:
"Daughter of a Duke, Marquess or Earl
A daughter of a Duke, Marquess or Earl has the style of 'the Lady' before
her first name and surname: the eldest daughter of the Duke of Norfolk is
the Lady Tessa Balfour, for instance. A daughter of those who by courtesy
enjoy the ***le of a Marquess or Earl has the identical style of 'Lady'. On
marriage she continues to use the same style, with her husband's surname:
if the Lady Mary Brown marries Mr John Black, she becomes Lady Mary Black.
In no case does she drop from 'the Lady Mary Brown' to 'the Hon Mrs Brown',
even though her husband his this prefix. Should she marry a peer, she
adopts his ***le: if the Lady Mary Brown marries the Earl of Flintshire, she
becomes the Countess of Flintshire, even though his precedence is lower than
hers. If she marries a courtesy lord, and the precedence she derives from
this is lower than that she derives from her father, she has the option of
adopting the usual style of the wife of a courtesy lord - Viscountess
Molesey; for example - or continuing her own style followed by the courtesy
***le: the Lady Mary Molesey. In practice very few ladies now adopt the
second course unless the marriage has been dissolved, as it is difficult to
determine the relative degree of precedence. It was generally used a
generation ago.
If she marries the younger son of a Duke or Marquess, who has the courtesy
style of Lord John Jones, again she has the option of adopting the usual
style of the wife of a younger son of a Duke or Marquess - the Lady John
Jones, for example - or continuing her own style followed by her surname:
the Lady Mary Jones."
So I was wrong in my example above with regard to Lady Lichfield - the
*choice* of how to be known applies only to ***led women who marry men with
courtesy ***les.
--
Sacha
RnD done on 5th of JULY 2011
Taking a break to read this webpage over about the 3rd Duke of Norfolk. Without a doubt, King Henry VIII is quite a character.
This keeps Roy from getting bored looking at hundreds of links trying to find matching keywords. One match may open up another, and another.
This leads into the Duke's family and "The Other Boleyn Girl" , Mary. If Elizabeth or Jane Jones was born 1794, this is all too early, so will look
into the 4th Duke of Norfolk [Update June 2015 - look at 10th and 11th Duke].
TAYLOR STORY - The Tale of Bowman Leslie
This document has been moved to it's own page, titled The Tale of Bowman Leslie.
Leslie History
"The first Leslies in Scotland are believed to have come from Hungary.. In the year 1067, some of them were given lands and built Leslie Castle in Aberdeenshire, at Leslie by Insch, where it still stands, having been rebuilt twice since then and now serving as a hotel..
"The Origin and Signification of Scottish Surnames", published in 1862 by Clifford Stanley Sims, states that the name derives from the Castle of Leslyn in Hungary, and that the family is descended from Bartholomew Leslyn, or Leslie, son of Walter de Leslyn, a Hungarian noble, who came to Scotland with Queen Margaret, wife of Malcolm Canmore, in 1068. Crossing a river swollen by floods, the queen was thrown from her horse and was in danger of being drowned when Leslyn plunged into the stream, seized hold of her girdle and, as he brought her with difficulty towards the bank, she frequently exclaimed, "Grip fast".. Afterwards she desired that he should retain those words as his motto, which he did, as do Leslies to this day.. Leslyn married the sister of Malcolm Canmore who then appointed him Governor of Edinburgh Castle, Lord Leslie and Earl of Ross. Many Leslies travelled from Scotland to continental Europe to fight in a perpetual series of wars.
Notable among these were General Alexander Leslie and Count Walter Leslie, each of whom had family members with them..
Our Leslies may derive from these sources, but George Gaspar Leslie of Spry Bay (1791-1842) told his children that some ancient Scottish Leslies were transported to Normandy, France for the crime of stealing sheep. They made their way to Würtemburg, where the name came to be spelled Lässle, which is pronounced the same as Leslie..The first of our Leslies to arrive in North America was a Würtemberg carpenter. Würtemberg was a kingdom of Germany, then ruled by Charles Eugene, whose persecution of Protestants may have precipitated Marcus Gottfried Lässle's decision to cross the ocean to an unknown continent."
Source http://www.flora.org/rosaleen/geneal.html
A List of Barbadians to the Carolina in 1679 Elizabeth Jones aboard the Barque Plantacon [ This Elizabeth is 50 to 100 years before ours.]
Source http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Melungeon/2001-05/0991363998
Research this OCR text book on the Leslies. Covers many branches
Francis Pvm, Esq. of The Hasells, Beds, and Radwell Houpe, Herts, 6. 22 June, 1790, s his father 1833 , m. 3 Oct. 1816. the Lady Jane Elizabeth Leslie Melville, 2nd dau. of the 7th Earl of Leven and Melville, and by her (who rf 25 April, 1848) had issue, I. Francis Leslie, of whom presently.
source: "A genealogical and heraldic history of the landed gentry of Great Britain & Ireland"
What does the name leslie mean?
Roy believes based on the above that it is not Hungarian in origin.
Posted by: Christine Jones (ID *****8611) Date: August 28, 2002 at 16:17:53 of 3675 I am looking for the children of William Leslie. He was the rector of the church at St. John's Parish from 1653-1676. He was sent from Scotland by the Archbishop of Canterbury. Anyone working on the Leslie, Walcott, or Watkins family?
Posted by: Catherine Walcott (ID *****5423)
There was also a son Charles who predeceased his mother. he died in 1689. He had daughter Ann who was not yet 21 in 1689.
Posted by: Catherine Walcott (ID *****5423) Date: March 10, 2004
Re: William Leslie by Catherine Walcott of 3675 From the will of William Leslie, proved Dec 1674. sons Andrew, Charls and John. daughters Isabelle, ann, margery, rebecca, grand dau rebecca keith. there is also a will of Robert Leslie, planter of St John parish, will proved oct 1676, wf mary, children william, robert, and mary. this maybe a bro. of william the cleric.
Posted by: Peter J. Krueger Date: January 15, 2002 at 09:02:50 In Reply to: Re: Early Barbados Plantations by Judy adair of 3675 I am looking for any information on the early history of the Lashley family in Barbados. Early maps (circa 1715?) show two Lashley plantations in St. Phillips (where there also is a Lashley Road). One of them was at a location which is now at the end of the airport runway - still a plantation (Spencers). I visited there a year ago. There is another Lashley Road in St. Michaels. If the name Lashley shows up in any of your records I would be interested to hear about it. Recognized variations of the name are Leslie and Lasley.
Had good sucess with one tree I am still verifying (Merryman)
This is a search on Henry Leslies at Wikitree. (Dead link Jun 2015)
June 21 2015 Took photos of a book "family scottish families by Margaret Stuart" while in Kingston on 2 pages covering Leslie references on Families. Just found this PDF. It is a SCAM.
Elec Scotland webpage. I contacted them long ago. Their genealogist never replied back. I reply to EVERYONE THAT EMAILS ABOUT THIS WEBSITE. I realized that our ancestry blows away any from the "Leslie" families anyway. I am sure many would like to say they are part of the Leslie Family tree. I am 90% sure we are, and personally, I don't care anymore. I will find the answers to Bowman Leslie without their help Also our ancestry blows away our connection to the aristocracy of Queen Elizabeth, as we have great grandparents that were monarchs before their clans even existed, like the kings of pre-England, Ireland, and Scotland. Not boasting, just stating facts based on recorded history.
Roy an epiphany on the family lore about our GGGF Wm. S. Taylor's mother. Had always based the story of "then Duke of Norfolk" as being the 1830 one, Bernard. "then..." could have been when GGGGM Elizabeth Jones married Richard in 1807 and was disinherited, where Mrs. Taylor [Elizabeth] had gone on account of her health and not climate". 1807 would equal the 11th duke, NOT THE 12TH. Charles Howard, 11th Duke of Norfolk (15 March 1746 – 16 December 1815) "...Norfolk died on 16 December 1815 at age 69, without issue from either of his two legal marriages. Upon his death, his lands and titles passed to his cousin, Bernard." "Her mother, in tum, was a Leslie," ... a cousin of the then Duke of Norfolk, who was disinherited because she gave up the Roman Catholic faith and married a Protestant." The Leslies were wealthy plantation and slave owners in Barbados" Find Charles's siblings, or 1oth Duke), not Bernards, and their children, and see if there is an Eliz Jones or Leslie
Henry Frederick Howard, 22nd Earl of Arundel born on 15 August 1608.
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